Wikipedia:Help desk

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigation Jump to search
Wikipedia help desk
  • This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. For other types of questions, use the search box or the reference desk.
  • Do not provide your email address or any other contact information. Answers will be provided on this page only.
  • We are all volunteers, so sometimes replies can take some time. Please be patient. Check back on this page to see if your question has been answered.

  • New users: While this is a good place to ask questions, new users may prefer to ask for help at the Teahouse, an area specifically for new users to get help with editing, article creation and general Wikipedia use, in a friendly environment.
Are you in the right place?


April 16[edit]

Edward Headlam Greenhow[edit]

Ref number 22 looks all wrong. Please help fix, I cannot do it. Thanks 2001:8003:D968:5702:CC9F:DF62:3444:7E54 (talk) 00:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

  • SB, you should probably write, "I added a reference and formatted it wrongly; please help me correct it."[1] The question as usual is, why did you format the reference wrongly and miss out on one "{" in the cite template when you've added other references properly? The broader question as usual in your case is, why do you say you cannot do it, when it doesn't seem that you've even tried? The funny thing is, your edits are helpful in improving the articles you dabble in – no questions about it. It would be great if you can probably learn from your highly repetitive mistakes. Thanks, Lourdes 00:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Doublecheck phrasing[edit]

In these edits I added some references and a big quote that adds context to the claim that T-Series (an Indian record label) started off pirating stuff. I introduced the quote with "Lawrence Liang and Ravi Sundaram wrote", but I don't know if that wording is great. Normally I might write something like "Researchers Lawrence Liang and Ravi Sundaram", but I don't know anything about these guys and didn't want to assume they did the research. If anyone can think of a better way to phrase this, I welcome the correction. "The Social Science Research Council wrote:"?? I dunno. Thank you! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb, you can probably ask this on the article's talk page. In my personal opinion, there's no need to write Liang and Sundaram's names. Social Science Research Council has many Nobel laureates as past fellows, so on the face of it extremely reliable. Take out the quotes, phrase their finding in your own words and include this as a running article material. Lourdes 07:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

LAN eXtensions for Instrumentation[edit]

I think that I might be making some sort of mistake trying to propose this article for deletion. It's not showing up in today's deletion log. Clovermoss (talk) 06:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Sharing Sandbox[edit]


My professor has requested a link to my user sandbox and I've no idea how . Please advise.



Sneferu8 (talk) 06:35, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sneferu8: Your sandbox's link inside Wikipedia is User:Sneferu8/sandbox. The URL for somebody outside of Wikipedia is I hope this helps. --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
P.S. your headings will work if you add the corresponding = signs at the end. So change "== Education" to "== Education ==" and it will work.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

the page has been wrong info edited by me please recovered this page[edit]

when i was making an account on your site at this time i have made an mistake to edit your page with wrong information so please sorry! for that and please recover that page because it is very important to indian people's — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4043:2317:998F:EC35:A2AE:2970:F707 (talk) 09:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, the page has been restored. You say you were creating an account. Please edit using your account; I.e. whist 'logged in'. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you.
Like has been mentioned by the editor above, you can also click on the button that looks like a signature in the edit window to leave your signature and timestamp. Thanks.

Link to the new category[edit]

why is the link to the new category red but the others are blue: (talk) 12:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

If the category is empty, it is red; otherwise, blue. Wikipedia:Red link has more details. Thanks, Lourdes 12:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Umm, not quite true. Category:Types of road systems is a red link but when you follow that link, it clearly isn't empty. A red category link indicates category links in articles have been created that point to a category that doesn't exist. Two possible fixes: create the category or replace/delete the offending category links in the articles.
Trappist the monk (talk) 14:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. (talk) 13:55, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Category:Types of road systems currently seems like a random selection of road articles with little relation to the category name. Did you add all the articles and is there an intended system? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, PrimeHunter. I would create the article myself certainly, but I don't own an account. (talk) 15:58, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I think a pause is in order. I don't think that the category name is synching with the contents, and frankly, I'm curious about what a "type of road system" is. Yes, we have different types of roadways, but I can't think of a cohesive system for classifying the systems of roads. I mean, we could have a "freeway-only network", but we don't have an article on such a topic. I think it would be wise to reverse course and stop filling this uncreated category, and I've already removed several articles. Imzadi 1979  16:36, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Editing tool for navigating a long list?[edit]

Hi, I found the list of series for the Extra History subsection on said list page a little bit difficult to navigate. I was trying to find the correct tool to use so that I could have a box (like a secondary, horizontal ToC for the subsection), to which I could link the listed miniseries. In other words, people would see a box with the names of the all the series at the top of the subsection, and clicking will take them to that miniseries to the episodes (e.g. "The Punic Wars"). Any advice on the appropriate template would be much appreciated? Sb101FV (talk) 14:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sb101FV: You can make level 4 subsections with ====The Punic Wars==== so they appear in the main table of contents. See WP:ANCHOR if you don't want that solution. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:38, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm fine with using 4 subsections; it does just seem to make the ToC a bit long, so I was wondering if there was a better alternative? If not, I'm satisfied. =) Sb101FV (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
@Sb101FV: We don't generally make a sub-TOC in a section but we sometimes start a section with a table which gives links to subsections but also additional information. I have made a table with only the links. Maybe you will add more info to the table. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Bot request - remove useless items from google books links[edit]

Many references have URLs that contain useless information from Google Books. For instance:


This bit of an URL includes the search terms, layout, etc. None of this is actually useful. A bot that removed this cruft would be very useful, making CITEs smaller and easier to read. Where is the right place to ask for this sort of thing? Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:59, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Maury Markowitz I've seen this in the bot request archives, but not sure if there currently is a bot. If you ask at Wikipedia:Bot requests, you should get an answer fairly quickly.Naraht (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

When I'm logged in and I hover over a link, it doesn't bring up a preview[edit]

But if I'm logged out, it does work. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Peregrine Fisher: It's an option in your preferences at Special:Preferences, under "Appearance". Is it turned on? RudolfRed (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Jesus as influence[edit]

Hi, an editor has added Jesus Christ as an influence to the info box for Søren Kierkegaard noting that the influence of Jesus is "self-evident in his works." Is it appropriate to name Jesus as an influence? I couldn't find a guideline on this - thanks - Epinoia (talk) 17:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Not unless a reliable source explicitly says so, or we'd be saying the same about every Christian. Realistically, nobody other than the early Church Fathers is going to have Jesus as an influence in the sense in which we mean it, since he never wrote anything that's survived, whereas "influence" in the broader sense applies to virtually everyone in the world (even in non-Christian cultures). ‑ Iridescent 17:23, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Why were my edits to the Green Party (Ireland) and Social Democrats (Ireland) pages deleted?[edit]

Why were my edits to the Green Party (Ireland) and Social Democrats (Ireland) pages deleted? I spent several hours updating both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallyman2018 (talkcontribs) 17:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tallyman2018: You may want to ask the editor that reverted your edits directly, but they wrote an edit summary stating "Rv - not an improvement - we don't do this for other parties ". 331dot (talk) 17:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't see how this could be described as 'not an improvement'. Other political parties in different countries have similar sections and there are Local, European and possibly a General election in the near future in Ireland. The reasons why I started on small parties were time specific. If this decision was revoked I would do it for all political parties in Ireland and further. I used the political parties' own websites as well as a blog run by an Irish academic on elections. I don't believe the reason 'we don't do this for other parties' is a good enough reason to delete content which is not only factual but relevant at the current time more than any other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallyman2018 (talkcontribs) 17:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

It may be that that editor thinks it adds too much of an updating burden, for insufficient gain. ("Not how it's done elsewhere", if true, would be a reasonable point (because how it's done everywhere else is often best practice, and outliers are regarded with jaundiced eye), and also editors tend to patrol for material they think is an overly deep level of detail for our purpose here. The point of the article to help the reader answer the question "What is the Green Party of Ireland?", and it may be that a list of officeholders don't much add to the reader's understanding of this entity.
Per WP:BRD, the editor is just trying to make things run smoothly. Also per WP:BRD, you can go to the article's talk page and make your case for the addition, and that'd be your best next move; say what you said here, or anything else you think is cogent. Perhaps other editors will support you. You can try to offer a compromise, maybe: let's say, adding just the TDs and Senators and MLAs (whatever that all mean; you should specify what the acronym means on first use), or something. Maybe in paragraph form rather than list form, so it is visually less obtrusive. Maybe specify "as of 2019" so that if it doesn't get updated, at least the reader will know how out of date it is. And so on.
However, you may not win your point, and there's a fair chance you won't, actually. But you never know.
I'm sorry that your hard work was reverted. It happens to all of us, but it sucks. It particularly happens to new editors as they learn the ropes. We appreciate your work, and we hope to see more! If you need any further help, or just want a cookie, message me. Herostratus (talk) 17:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you, kindly, the three members who answered my question about 'edits". — Preceding unsigned comment added by David S. Soriano (talkcontribs) 19:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Your question, and your previous thanks, were at WP:TH#Auto-Confirmation, not here on the Help desk. You have been reminded more than once that you ought to be signing your messages. Please read again the message on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Albanian language expert needed.[edit]

Hi folks I'm looking for an Albanian language expert who can look at a translated article, to determine if it good and help get it moved from Draft:The Albanian Great Doors into main space if its good. Thanks. 22:29, 16 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by scope_creep (talkcontribs)

@Scope creep: normally Category:Translators sq-en, but I note that even the most "active" user has not edited in 7 months. Try Category:User sq. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 13:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

How insert "participating countries" section within my "Infobox Song Contest" template?[edit]

Dear All

I am currently editing the page - ABU Song Contest 2019. I am having difficulties of adding "participating countries" section within the page's infobox.

I already have the image ready which is ABU Song Contest 2019 Map.svg.

I would wish to follow the example of this page: by inserting that mini-template successfully.

Some tips would be appreciated! Many thanks.

Moskovescasc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moskovescasc (talkcontribs) 22:36, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Moskovescasc, can you look at the 2016 version over at ABU TV Song Festival 2016? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I did. I can’t find the code for that particular segment.

I need proper source code but I couldn’t find a workable one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moskovescasc (talkcontribs) 09:32, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

{{Infobox song contest}} says The map is automatically transcluded to the infobox based on the values of the name and year parameters. It looks then as though your map should transclude if you remove the word "Map" from its title. By the way please sign your posts on discussion pages like this one: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Moskovescasc (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)Sorry! Thanks for your answer but it is not achievable. I exhausted all the relevant methods and the map just won’t show up. Do you believe help me to make it happen by editing that page? I would like to know how you did it! thanks!

I see Moskovescasc, the map already exists as a file in English Wikipedia, so its name can only be changed by a special class of editor called a file mover. I have requested this change at File:ABU Song Contest 2019 Map.svg. When this request has been actioned then your map should show up in the infobox in ABU Song Contest 2019: Bhunacat10 (talk), 20:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bhunacat10 and Moskovescasc: The file is actually hosted on Commons, I made a move request there, it was denied. I guess a new file can be uploaded under the preferred filename. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 14:40, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Moskovescasc (talk) 21:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)Thank so much! No wonder I have tried so many times and it failed! Can’t wait for the change takes effect!

Just one more question, if I need to update the ABU Song Contest 2019.svg multiple times (as you know this map reflects a real-time event, so it needs constant updates on countries with different colours). Could I just update the file via the SVG page itself without editing the info box code again?

Also, I discovered your request has suggested the name of the file needs to be changed to “ABU Song Contest 2019”, just wonder do I need to manually change it myself or your request would take charge of that automatically by the system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moskovescasc (talkcontribs) 21:32, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The map has appeared in the article, apparently by creation of {{Infobox song contest/ABU Song Contest 2019}}: Bhunacat10 (talk), 22:39, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Moskovescasc (talk) 22:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC) Thank you so so much! You are the best! Hope I could get future support from you as well! Have a good day!

April 17[edit]

Derogatory publication about indian president[edit]

Sir please check the page It is showing porn images on this is disrespectful for every indian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't see any such images now, nor do any edits adding or removing them appear in the page history; probably it was caused by vandalism to a template used on the page, which has now been reverted. Eman235/talk 04:19, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit removed by someone[edit]

Hi few days ago I have edited this page ( In Writing style section I was add this line "He emerged as a writer in the mid-1990s and has written seven books and numerous articles/essays which have been published at home and abroad" with this reference ""

But now I see its removed by someone. Can I know why its removed?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehedi-iu (talkcontribs) 09:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

If you click on the "View history" tab for the article you will see that the reversion was in this edit, where the edit summary explained the reason for the reversion. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Emergency Ambulance Numbers should include Country in Title[edit]

I was unable to edit the TITLE of the 112 Emergency Number wiki article. As many of you know, social media is rampant with misinformation. I edited the first sentence to include the EU emergency link and added (911 in the USA) to be clear. We have so many young globetrotters that it should be clear this not the Emergency number for the USA and vice versa. Currently American social media is rampant with the misinformation to dial 112 instead of 911. It would be a minor adjustment to to the Title if someone knows how to do it. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kopesedic (talkcontribs) 15:54, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

  • @Kopesedic: The fact that some stuff written on the internet is false does not mean we should bend over to correct it. It would be wholly inappropriate to "change the title" of our article 112 (emergency telephone number) to refer to the correct US number, because the current title is a perfectly fine description of the topic of the article.
Article text is another matter. I am on the fence about whether your recent edit is wise with regards to content. I am however perfectly sure that (1) it should not include an external link in the body (use a reference instead) and (2) it should not have been marked minor (minor edits are not those that are small in size, but those that do not change the meaning of the content).
I will also note that, as the article states, some US carriers (but not all) redirect 112 calls to 911. Depending on the exact phrasing of the "disinformation" you saw on social media, it might have been true! TigraanClick here to contact me 16:32, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Question: Is it appropriate to include complete computer code implementations in a Wikipedia page?[edit]

The page on Peirce's_criterion, as at 2019-04-17, includes two complete and apparently original (unreferenced) code implementations of the criterion.

Useful as they might be, this does not seem at all usual for Wikipedia, which is not a code repository.

I have been unable to locate guidance on including full implementations in computer code in Wikipedia. Is there Wikipedia policy on this, and if so could someone please point me to it so I can advise the page authors or take action myself?

NB: Additional comment on the talk page for that article notes correctly that the criterion itself is not stated other than in the code implementations, which is a separate but obviously important omission to be addressed separately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slrellison (talkcontribs) 15:57, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

  • Guidance is at WP:CODE. Basically, code is OK when it serves to give out the algorithm, but pseudocode is preferred if not too clunky; however, Wikipedia is not to be used as a Github for common algorithms.
In your particular case, I do believe the code should be scrapped, but it should be replaced by something, probably pseudocode. Our article Dijkstra's algorithm is a good example for algorithm presentation via words then pseudocode. TigraanClick here to contact me 16:22, 17 April 2019 (UTC) - wrong birth year![edit] Hello there is a problem with the Wikipedia page belonging to Neil Donell as his real birthdate is May 23, 1956 - which will make him 63 on May 2019. He definitely wasn't born in 1962 as it is written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Since that birthdate is not cited to a reliable source (or any source) anybody - including you - may remove it from the article if you think it is wrong (be sure to leave an Edit summary explaining why, so that somebody won't think you're vandalising the article). You can substitute the right date if you have a reliable published source for the information, but please don't replace one piece of unsourced information with another.
In fact, as the notices at the top of the article point out, Neil Donell is woefully under-sourced. Citation to some sources independent of Donell are necessary to demonstrate that he meets Wikipedia's requirements for notability, or the article is liable to get deleted. (Neither of the two sources currently cited is independent of him). --ColinFine (talk) 20:13, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


Where can i get the option of "write page" when i use wikipedia in mobile? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaliShan Ayub (talkcontribs) 20:00, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, AaliShan Ayub. I'm not sure what you mean by "write page". I'm guessing that you mean "create a new encyclopaedia article". If that is what you mean, please understand that while anybody is welcome to edit Wikipedia, writing a new article which gets accepted is one of the hardest tasks in editing Wikipedia, and I always advise people to spend at least a few weeks working on improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works, before they try it. The guide to creating a new article is at Your first article. I'm afraid I have hardly ever edited on a mobile, so I can't give you advice specifically on that; but I know that othe users do so successfully. --ColinFine (talk) 20:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Duplicated content[edit]

Both List of Masters of the Universe characters and List of She-Ra: Princess of Power and She-Ra and the Princesses of Power characters contain a section about the Evil Horde, with pretty much identical content. What would be the best place to discuss this? Both pages are listed in several WikiProjects, but I'm not sure which of them to raise the issue at. Many of them seem pretty much inactive. Or should I just go ahead and split off the section about the Evil Horde into a separate article myself? JIP | Talk 20:34, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Mass grammar corrections[edit]

A few days ago, I commented on the the WikiProject College Basketball page that the NCAA (the National Collegiate Athletic Association) should be preceded by An, not A. I didn't receive much response there (although it doesn't look like anyone is against it), and I was wondering what the best way to go about changing the 835 articles or so to use the correct form would be. I don't know enough about bots to know if one is feasible; alternatively, is there anything against me creating a secondary account and using WP:AWB/WP:JWB for mass corrections (especially in the case I look into correcting other, similar mistakes)? LittlePuppers (talk) 22:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Wait, why would you use a secondary account for that? Using your current one should be fine. Eman235/talk 12:19, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@Eman235: Yeah, I think that would work too, but I'm pretty sure I've seen a few places (not sure where now) that recommend creating a secondary account if you're planning on making large amounts of AWB-type edits (and doing so might make everything a bit easier for me to keep track of). LittlePuppers (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
While far from an AWB expert, I would've guessed that "large amounts" means tens of thousands or at least many thousands not 835. I don't see the need for a secondary account for this modest task. I'd say go for it, but remember that you are responsible for your edits so take care, don't just let it run automatically. For example, I just did a quick glance and see a number of cases where "A NCAA" exists, but in a filename. Correcting the filename could create problems. I presume you meant to only make changes in the article space, but if you accidentally modified filenames could be an issue.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick: It's not a huge number, but I'm also considering getting into AWB further - a cursory search shows that there are a lot of other similar issues elsewhere - there are a few hundred each occurrences of "a NFL," "an one(-)," "a MBA," and numerous others used a few dozen or couple hundred times; "an historic" occurs nearly 8,000 times (upper 50,000s for a), but it looks like both are widely used in that case and it may be acceptable (words beginning with h have a bit more variation in pronunciation), and that's not something I'd change without a bit of prior discussion. LittlePuppers (talk)
Yeah, those are bigger numbers. FYI, on occasion I search for "a retired" or "an former", but I do those searches manually, partly because there is usually only a couple dozen each time but also because there are a couple people whose last name is "An" so there are some false positives. I thought about whether there could be false positive with "an NCAA" and nothing came to mind but just be aware of the possibility.--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:31, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll make sure to manually check all of them for false positives and other problems. Thanks for the feedback. Assuming I don't run into anything else, I'll see what I can do tonight. LittlePuppers (talk) 00:59, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

April 18[edit]

Zero width character[edit]

In Blueprint (book) there's a zero width space character I can't seem to remove that keeps generating an error. Can someone please explain how I can fix this? IntoThinAir (talk) 03:52, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I've ran a few semi-automated tools over it and one of them seems to have fixed it. Otherwise, you just have to find where it is in the wikitext (I don't know of any better way than pressing the arrow keys until you find where you have to press it twice for the cursor to move) and then you can delete it like any other character. LittlePuppers (talk) 03:59, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
The error message [2] said exactly where it was: "zero width space character in |title= at position 56". That means 56 characters into the parameter value. This was right after the last visible character. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing this; I had tried to delete the character at the end of the title= text but I kept getting the error message for some reason. IntoThinAir (talk) 13:38, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Articles with no Talk page[edit]

How do I find all articles with no corresponding talk page? Is there a category for that? I can't find it.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:19, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: I can tell you for certain that there isn't a category. I don't think there is an easy way to find those. It may be possible with Wikipedia:Database queries. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 13:54, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Coffeeandcrumbs, you can post a request at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. It's probably quite easy to build it through AWB, although even quarry can easily get the job done. Lourdes 14:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Which infobox?[edit]

In the new article, Tima Shomali, a person with multiple roles in media; actor, producer, presenter, etc, the current "self-made" table should be a proper infobox, but which one? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:31, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dodger67: {{Infobox presenter}} and {{Infobox writer}} exist, but the rest of her roles just point to {{Infobox person}}. The choice of infobox here isn't crucial. Compare the parameters and chose the one that has those you insist are important. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 13:49, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

How to add information on the Info box?[edit]


I am unable to edit the Infobox on the Wiki page.

Would like to add the CEO's name and list it under Key People on the Star Sports page. The CEO is Gautam Thakar.

Can we also add the founding year in this section?

Please help.


Saahil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saahilk (talkcontribs) 09:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Saahilk - What was the article in question? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 09:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I guess you refer to your edits to Star Sports (Indian TV network). You can only add parameters which are known by a template, in this case Template:Infobox television channel. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
If you look at Template talk:Infobox television channel#Key people you'll see that it was reported (more than 8 years ago) that the key_people parameter in that template isn't working. It appears to be mentioned on the documentation page but not included in the code. If it were working, you'd need to remember that parameter names are case-sensitive and that the underscore parameter is apparently part of the parameter name. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Following on from the above, I see that the "key_people" parameter was added to the documentation page last year without it being in the code. I have therefore reverted the inclusion on the documentation page. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:18, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia and large data files[edit]

At Jimbotalk I made a suggestion[3] that we start hosting things like the existing 3D models of Notre Dame (my suggestion for a new URL wasn't serious; if we actually did this it would most likely be on commons). In a response the claim was made that the files would be to big for us to handle. Which brings up the question, what is the largest data structure (file or collection of closely-related files) that any WMF project stores? I am guessing that it might be a video file or perhaps the history of a page that gets a lot of traffic like WP:AIAV. Is it true that the existing 3D models of Notre Dame would be considerably larger than anything we currently store? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Guy Macon, anything bigger than 4 GB would have to be a split file. Anything smaller can be uploaded using Upload Wizard or an equivalent. The largest closely related category I found looking that way is only about half a gig though, give or take.
On the other hand, apparently the DBAs will upload a hard drive if you file a ticket with a good reason. Soo... Unless it's more than several TB it's not totally out of the question? Alpha3031 (tc) 14:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
The hard drive contained 15,000 discrete files, though. What's under discussion here is 3D laser scans of buildings, which are multiple orders of magnitude larger than a hard drive let alone an image file; to take the scan of Notre Dame that prompted this discussion as an example, it contains over a billion individual data points, and "If architects ask for the data, it would have to be delivered in person, as it is too large to be transmitted over the internet". Assume, conservatively, that we're talking about each file being 1–2 TB; to put that in perspective, the full database dump of the entire revision history of English Wikipedia is "only" about 12 TB. ‑ Iridescent 14:58, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
That would be so different as to necessitate raising it as a new project I suspect - even if it were ultimately held within Commons, you'd need Foundation sign-off - at that cost, probably at a board level. (talk) 15:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I think the main argument against it would be that it'll be hard to use. Because even if we mail a hard disk to the datacenter, it's not going to be much use sitting there with nobody able to download it, and the WMF certainly can't afford to just mail a hard disk to anybody who asks.
Nobody is going to be buying a 100 TB hard drive, but a regular archival drive is 2 to 12 TB. If you have 1 mm^3 resolution on a 1 km^3 model that's still 20*3 bits. Use 64 bit ints instead, and that's still only 24 bytes. Add some full HDR colour and that's 30 bytes per data point, meaning if you had 20 billion of them it'll still only be 0.6 TB. Building ~ hard drive.
But you wouldn't download a car. (much less a building) The only way this would be useful is if we could download a portion of the model and get some use out of it. Alpha3031 (tc) 15:48, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Very enlightening. I will ask again when 100TB/S internet connections and 100EB storage devices become common. :)
"There was 5 exabytes of information created between the dawn of civilization through 2003, but that much information is now created every 2 days, and the pace is increasing" --Eric Schmidt, (2013)
--Guy Macon (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I saw the thread on Jimbo's talk page and didn't respond there although some thoughts were running through my head. I have enormous respect for the contributors who are pointing out that this is not a little deal it's a big deal. I appreciate that but I think it's worth pursuing, even though pursuing it requires quite a bit more work than simply adding a few servers. To pick up and expand on the point made by Alpha3031, with some rare exceptions, we shouldn't ever have to download the entire file. (Arguably the current situation comes closest to that exception but those people will be dealing with financial resources that are considerable.)
Why might one be interested in a laser scan of Notre Dame? One can imagine many situations but let's just pretend for a moment that some architectural student is interested in one of the many gargoyles. That student could achieve their goals by downloading a tiny portion of the entire file. While it might be a fairly large file in its own right, it would be a tiny fraction of 1% of the entire file and plausible to do over an Internet connection. What this means, of course, is that one cannot have a single contiguous file containing all of the information — there has to be some organized way of breaking it into components that make up the whole, but which can be individually identified and downloaded in part.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:50, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Use cases for free (as in free speech) data is not limited by one's imagination, but by the internet's. For instance, I would assume a significant fraction of people with 3D printer access would be interested by having all sorts of buildings scans etc. available (though maybe not at millimetric resolution).
That being said, it is not our job (or the Foundation's) to design protocols for 3D scan file handling. Either they already exist, or they do not. If they do, it becomes a technical and economical question for the WMF, not for us the community, and especially not for us the Help Desk. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:23, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Capitalization of article names that are also filenames[edit]

The page title at ads.txt is lowercase, but Security.txt is capitalized. Should they both be capitalized or both be lowercase?

robots.txt, sitemap.xml and favicon.ico are redirects, but if they ever became page titles the same question would apply.

Also. when you click on robots.txt, the page says [ (Redirected from Robots.txt) ] followed by [ "robots.txt" redirects here ], so it gives you both versions. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I went ahead and lowercased security.txt because pages describing it seemed to use lowercase. Technically, all titles start with a case insensitive letter that defaults to uppercase. robots.txt has been lowercased, not that you can tell without going to the redirect page with redirect=no or whatever. Basically I think the typical style is to do it the way RSes do it or the official way to do it. Alpha3031 (tc) 16:13, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! In the specific case of filenames used on case-sensitive systems (which includes most web hosts) the usual result is that only one spelling -- capitalized or lower case -- works. This almost always results in most of the sources using the spelling that works, but if we ever run into a stuation where most of the sources use a spelling that doesn't work when typed in as a filename, we should ignore the sources and use the "official" spelling if we know what it is.
Not sure what to do if an article title is the same as a filename on a case-insensitive system. We use the titles AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS even though DOS will happily accept config.sys, Config.sys, or cOnFiG.sYs. That's probably OK for DOS, where all upper case is traditional.
URLs are an interesting variation. The domain name is never case-sensitive, but the rest of the URL might be. (But watch what happens when you cut and paste the following link into your browser: ) In general, Windows filenames are case-preserving but not case sensitive, but sometimes they are.[4] I would have to check, but IIRC HTML is never case sensitive but parts of XHTML are.
I think we need a general rule: if you type it into a computer and it works no matter what the case, use the case that most sources use. If you type it into a computer and it only works if you get the case right, use the case that works no matter what the sources use. If you don't know, go with the sources. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
(Slightly OT) There is a nasty little "gotcha" that some versions of Samba can catch you with. If you have a *nix server which is case sensitive, then it is reasonable to have two files, say MyData and mydata, both in the same directory. If this directory is exported over Samba to a Windows box (nominally case-preserving) the Windows box will always select the one it finds first, regardless of case. In my last job this exact issue arose and caused considerable chaos for a while. Moral: ensure all users of networked directories assume case insensitivity! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:23, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

The Secrets of Jesus[edit]


i received this message from you: AmigoUfo, I would like to request that you not continue to add the Secrets of Jesus to the list of Christian video games. I have specified numerous reasons on the page, but if you have any trouble understanding them, or don't agree with my logic, please message me here.

This is a fourth warning, and Wikipedia has a four warning policy before someone should be reported to administrators for page vandalism. I'm cautioning you to not add your game to the list again, considering multiple people have taken it down. I understand personally the struggle of getting a word for your game in the public, but Wikipedia is not a page for personal advertisement. If you have any questions, contact me.

Sorry, i didnt see your message and i thought there is an error and therefor i added every time my game. But i still dont understand why? Could you tell me why?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmigoUfo (talkcontribs) 16:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@AmigoUfo: The editors who reverted the addition of your game explained in the edit comments whey they were removing the game. By the way, I started a discussion on the talk page related to the notability of the games, which may affect the one you are trying to add. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:42, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

From draft to article[edit] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicallive2019 (talkcontribs) 18:17, 18 April 2019 (UTC) Good morning! I created a page of a famous musician, now he is in the Draft status, does this mean that the page has already been passed to people from Wikipedia for consideration, or should I send a request for it in order for the page to become public available under the Article status? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicallive2019 (talkcontribs) 18:15, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Musicallive2019: Add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft to submit it for review, and then someone will take a look at it in somewhere between a few hours and three months. Please check back periodically, as there's a good chance there will be things that whoever reviews it will want you to address. LittlePuppers (talk) 18:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@LittlePuppers: Thank you very much, your advice has saved my time!

Paul Newman.[edit]

Some morons have been editing Paul Newmans (actor)page with disgusting comments. Can someone please deal with this and poss block the IP address of him/her responsible ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I've asked an admin to look at this. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Logo Update for WWOR-TV right away[edit]

Here is the Updates that still needs to get done right away On The Web Site at On The WWOR-TV Page The Old former my 9 Logo needs to get taken off right away thats because it has been outdate it for years & years already & The New Logo thats On The Web Site at thats on the top left needs to get put on right away & Branding my9 needs to get change right away to my9nj needs to get put on right away & Would you please keep these in mind & don,t forget to get these fixed right away & don,t forget to take care of these right away & don,t forget to let me know when they are all set & done with & don,t forget to get these problems fixed big time right away & don,t forget. Please Write Back to my New E-mail address is [removed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:192:102:34F9:D8C8:57F6:240F:257E (talk) 21:15, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

- this same request was made as "/* Digital television */ Logo Update for WWOR-TV" here on 7 April 2019 - WWOR-TV has been protected for persistent disruptive editing 18 April 2019‎ - Epinoia (talk) 21:42, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Most Rev valerian okeke[edit]

I wanted to start a talk about this page. I was told it is blocked to avoid vandalism. Kevinchuks (talk) 05:49, 19 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinchuks (talkcontribs) 23:13, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kevinchuks: Are you referring to Draft:Valerian Okeke? It was deleted twice due to copyright. If you are asking about a different page, please provide a link. RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

April 19[edit]

How to find articles in need of short descriptions[edit]

I've recently discovered the shortdesc helper, a delightful little tool; and I would like a list of articles which (a) do not have short descriptions, and (b) really, really need them (e.g., top- or high-importance articles). Is there any way to generate such a list? Eman235/talk 08:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Eman235 PetScan is your friend: this query lists high-importance articles with no (locally defined) SD, and similarly for any other category (adjust depth depending on the extent of the subcategory tree): Bhunacat10 (talk), 09:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, that's just what I was looking for! Eman235/talk 09:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Need Guides for Knowledge / investor for a tech idea.[edit]

I have a TECH idea but i am neither from Software or hardware field nor i have any high circle friends just a common man who does 9-5 job who has big responsibility of his family and a small dream to bring this idea into reality so it can help others with that idea.

I don't know whom to approach for the guidelines, Who to look for to make this idea into reality. Fingers crossed looking for some help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabbirmnj (talkcontribs) 12:11, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Shabbirmnj: the guys over at the computing help desk may be able to provide guidance to external resources. See WP:RD/C. -Arch dude (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Wrong picture for Dan Kemp bio. Picture is of Jim Davis, otherwise known as Papa Ewing of "Dallas" fame.[edit]

Dan Kemp bio has wrong picture! Picture is of Jim Davis. Davis was well known as Papa Ewing of "Dallas" fame until his sudden death of a heart attack.D00z3nbur1 (talk) 18:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@D00z3nbur1: Fixed Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 18:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Create disambiguation page for songs named "Six White Horses"??[edit]

There are at least three different songs with the title "Six White Horses". I have outlined them in the current article Six White Horses -- but doesn't this call for a disambiguation page? If so, how do we create one? I have never done that before. Cordially, BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 18:18, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@BuzzWeiser196: there are competing philosophies for dab pages. If one song were overwhelmingly more notable, then many editors prefer that one to keep the main title. Others (including me) disagree and feel that the dab page itself should have the main title in all cases. To achieve this in this particular case first change the title of the current page by moving it, e.g., to "Six White Horses (Johnny cash song)". This will leave a redirect at "Six White Horses." A redirect is just an article with a tiny amount content. Edit that article to change its contents into your dab page, using another dab page as a worked example. Make sure that each of the three entries has at least one blue link. Now, click on "what links here" to see all the links to "Six White horses": there are only a few. Go to each of mainspace articles (not talk or help) and edit those links to point to the correct one of the three pages. Now remove the little section you added the current article. -Arch dude (talk) 18:47, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Why was my article on Daniel Strachman deleted[edit]

The article has been up for many years and someone named Athaenara deleted it. Please put it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackstein4665 (talkcontribs) 20:09, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Please restore the page about Daniel Strachman. I dont understand why it was deleted.

Thank you -Daniel Strachman — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jackstein4665: The article was deleted under the promotional speedy deletion criteria. In looking at it(administrators can see deleted articles), I would agree, as it was almost totally unsourced and reads as little more than a social media-type listing you might find on LinkedIn or Facebook. It also seems that you have some sort of connection to him, if you do, you must declare it per the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy. The fact that the page existed for some time doesn't mean it can remain if it does not meet standards for sourcing. You are free to request a deletion review, but I don't think it would be successful. 331dot (talk)