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December 13[edit]

2006 police murders[edit]

my brother Adam j. Brown was murdered December 1st 2006 by Brown county sheriff dept in green bay wi and he's not listed in the category — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:31, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

In short, categories can only list existing articles (it's a technical requirement, not merely a choice that we article writers and maintainers can change), so unless there's an article about him, your brother cannot appear in the category. Please see WP:Categories if you'd like details. Nyttend (talk) 06:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry for your losss, Paul T., but Wikipedia does not (by policy) list everything and everybody: only subjects which are WP:notable in Wikipedia's special sense - which means that they have been written about in reliable published sources. Unfortunately, that category is not so rare that everybody who has been killed by police forces is necessarily notable. It is possible that your brother's case has been written about, and there could be an article in Wikipedia about him; but unless and until there is, he cannot appear in the category. I'm sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The above replies apply to categories like Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States. It may instead be possible to mention him in List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States prior to 2009#2006. Note however that Wikipedia is based on published sources like newspapers. An addition to the list would have to be sourced and portray the event as given in the source. I'm sorry for your loss but Wikipedia policy does not allow it to be called a murder if sources don't do that. I found a source at [2] but I don't know whether you prefer to not get him added if that source is followed. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and does not make its own investigations. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Screenshot-00 Article default rendering.png

I see no icon to click to edit the very first paragraph of an article. I came across a page with an enormous error in that top intro paragraph and again elsewhere on the page. I easily corrected the mistake in the main body of the page but how the heck do I edit the top paragraph?

Thanks, Paul T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

If you look at the image I've added to the right, do you see the selected "Read" tab, located just almost at the top of the page, in the middle? If you click "Edit" just next to it, you edit the whole page; that's how to edit the introduction. Nyttend (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The "Appearance" section at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets gives an option to enable an edit link for the lede section of a page. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
However, that's an optional gadget, and only registered users can pick optional gadgets. Nyttend (talk) 13:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
As an unregistred user you can use the "Edit" tab at top to edit the whole page, or you can edit the lead alone by clicking a random section edit link and manually change the url to say section=0. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Is this copyright infringement?[edit]

The page Xiangsheng claims to have cited from Baidu Baike (百度百科), whose content is believed to be copyrighted and NOT licensed. Is this a copyright infringement? If it is and I can't fix it, how and where should I tag and report the issue? User670839245 (talk) 10:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I do not understand what you mean? Practically all sources that are cited in Wikipedia articles are copyrighted and not licensed. Does this fact create problems? Ruslik_Zero 12:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Possible COI[edit]

I have noticed a dispute in an article, and one of the users involved may have revealed to have a conflict of interest in the topic. However, the user did not said it openly, it seems that he merely said it by accident. What should I do? Should I ask the user for clarifications, go to a public noticeboard, or contact admins privately? Cambalachero (talk) 14:34, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cambalachero:, it is difficult to give answers in the abstract other than to point you to the WP:OUTING and WP:COI policies. If you could specify where you have seen the dispute, it might be easier to give you specific guidance. Otherwise, you'll just have to read the relevant policies and make your own decision. Sorry I can't be more helpful than that. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

About a warning that I have received.[edit]

The user has been indeffed, and his talk page privileges revoked as well. μηδείς (talk) 01:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It appears to say that name changes aren't allowed for editors which feel that they have little to contribute. Is this supposed to be how it is? That birb king that you can screech at. 14:39, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I suggest you read all the warnings on your user talk page, KingOfBirbs, and heed them. Your name-changes appear to be part of a general behaviour of NOTHERE. --ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
But how? That birb king that you can screech at. 16:10, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@KingOfBirbs:, you have misinterpreted those warnings. There is a user name policy that your first choice violated, which is why you were blocked until it changed. There is no policy against further changes but going through many quick name changes without showing any sign of wanting to add positive contributions does not inspire anyone's confidence that you intend to be helpful. The import of the messages on your talk page is this: Please don't use Wikipedia as a place to merely entertain yourself. You have three paths available to you:
  1. Continue treating Wikipedia as if it were Facebook, Reddit, or Twitter and it will go poorly for you, likely ending with a block on your account.
  2. Read articles and make the occasional useful minor improvement to articles and you'll be fine. There is no stigma to this and this is in fact where the vast majority of editors wind up.
  3. Learn how to really contribute and integrate with the community and you'll be welcomed with open arms.
This last possibility requires some more commitment on your part but it will make the previous warnings completely moot. If you want to go this route, then start here and try the tutorial. Most of the usual questions newcomers have are answered by the Help pages and there are usually editors around willing to help. I sincerely hope you choose this third option. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:59, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Changing your user name itself is not the problem, and you are well aware of this.
Given you created User:KingOfBirbs last May, but only started editing using it after your fake "bot" User:Not-bot: Revision history account was blocked, you obviously had a plan or backup in place.
Hiding your username as you are doing now with WP:pipelinks so that it is not easily searchable is suspicious.
File:Bad T.rex.png
But uploading non-encyclopedic images like your "bad T. rex" and your "Noscale dinosaur" (see user contributions of Dec. 11) which are worse than stick figures, and you have now advertised for on your user page for the cause of promoting the theory that dinosaurs did not have scales contravenes our policy against uploading non-encyclopedic material.
Your creating a mirror page of Bird (184,000kb) on your userpage with the sole substitution of all instance of "bird" with "birb" is yet another act of borderline vandalism that can be viewed as a test only with generosity bordering on credulousness.
Your spamming the ref desks with questions about how pterodactylswould appear in "heraldy", if they did appear, violates our guidelines on requests for predictions and debate.
You obviously have the skills to contribute, but have chosen to treat wikipedia as a toy. And now you come here with the most innocent-seeming of your actions, and ask why you are being singled out? I suggest you request an admin delete those images yourself as a demonstration of good faith, and try contributing useful material to mainspace, since you know how to do so and obviously have interest in archosauria and heraldry, before you end up with a sanction for your behaviour. μηδείς (talk) 17:12, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
So, are you saying that I should blank my userpage because it has no content of high quality? and how is not using your second name before changing it in any way suspicious??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingOfBirbs (talkcontribs) 17:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
What I am saying, KingOfBirbs (and I think Medeis would agree with) is that you should either start behaving like a responsible Wikipedia editor (in which case we will be happy to answer genuine requests for help), or else go away and stop bothering us. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Exactly, RL intervened or I would have made comments similar to Colin's. Coming back to the help desk with disingenuous comments, when you have been given plenty of advice on what you should be doing, only reinforces the view that you think this is a form of social media, forum or chatroom etc. You have been provided with multiple links here and at your talk page. Please read them and follow their instructions. If you come back here with more questions pleading innocence, someone will quite possibly think 'enough' and report or block you. Eagleash (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Apparently the warnings haven't sunk in, see the latest request for speculation. μηδείς (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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How to upload a free video to Wikitube, a wiki site similar to Youtube? B63cdf194d0bb00ae19d1bc56e7736eba2dca8 (talk) 15:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous user. "Wikitube" gives me several different search hits, and I don't know which one you mean; but none of them has any connection with Wikipedia, whose help desk this is. We cannot help you here. You might get some help at Wikipedia's Reference Desk, but I wouldn't bank on it. (Note: there are thousands and thousands of wikis on the internet. Wikipedia accounts for a few hundred of these at most. The majority are unrelated to Wikipedia, though some of them use the same free software). --ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Accounts created automatically in other Wikis[edit]

It seems that starting yesterday night, I've had an account created in 50 Wikipedias in other languages (which I have never visited). Has anyone else noticed this? I've changed my password to be on the safe side, but I was wondering if this was a known bug. –FlyingAce✈hello 16:08, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

It's happening to others and being discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Local accounts attached without a visit (and welcomed without an edit). It's maybe caused by a new process creating your account at wikis which have imported edits by you in the past with the method at meta:Help:Import. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Unable to log in[edit]

Hi, this is Smartyllama, I'm having some difficulty logging in. I get the error message "There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again." I tried closing out of the browser and that didn't work, I tried clearing all data and that worked for a little while but now it's giving it to me again. I'll try from home tonight and see if I'm having the issue there too. What can I do to do get in? 16:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the users IP address as it seems he/she has an account on here. Can and admin hide the version before this from public view. . Lakeside Out!-LakesideMinersClick Here To Talk To Me! 16:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I was able to get in again by clearing cookies again, but if this is going to be a recurring issue, that's a problem. Smartyllama (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I suppressed the IP address.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:47, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Hi! Please correct the basepagename from Itunes to iTunes, also please guide how to. Because I have done a failed try on the template page and it had become ITunes. Thanks! M. Billoo 17:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

The template name isn't seen by the general readership so why do we care? Still, it can be done. Adding this to the beginning of the template should make the 'i' lower case:
<noinclude>{{lowercase title}}</noinclude>
The template needs to be moved to Template:ITunes.
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:39, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The first character of a page name cannot be lowercase. It can be displayed lowercase at top of the page itself with {{lowercase title}}, but not elsewhere like search results and categories. We usually don't care with template names which are not displayed to readers, and I'm not sure "Template:ITunes" is better than "Template:Itunes". The former looks like Template:IT something. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk and PrimeHunter: Hi! Thanks for your kind response! I think as Trappist the monk said to use "Template:lowercase title" after moving the page back to correct title "Template:ITunes", so it would appear "Template:iTunes". Like, see the top of iTunes page or Template:iTunes Preview App. However, the redirect can be kept as used on many pages. Thanks! M. Billoo 19:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Just to be clear: I do not advocate proceeding along the path to make the template page look like the iTunes page. That, to me, is a rather pointless exercise to little or no benefit to the encyclopedia. Just because a thing can be done does not mean that it should be done.
Trappist the monk (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: OK, then I would say please delete Template talk:ITunes as useless redirect, but keep Template:ITunes for valid redirect {{{iTunes}}}. Thanks! M. Billoo 18:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

VA ATTY General Race map[edit]

I would like a map of the results by county for the Virginia Attorney General Race, 2013 Thanks James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttcjames (talkcontribs) 22:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ttcjames: Virginia Attorney General election, 2013 reference 17 link includes a map. Some of the other refereces there may also. The help page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Next time use the Reference Desk for general knowledge questions. RudolfRed (talk) 01:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Ttcjames, remember our unusual cities; not all of the state is counties. Nyttend (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

December 14[edit]

Talk:Thylacine keeps breaking[edit]

Could someone markup-minded have a look at Talk:Thylacine? It broke with this edit, I got rid of the symptoms with this edit (by removing a correctly formed cite template from the latest addition - no idea why that worked), but now it's been screwed up again in this edit. Same results: page is being chopped off in the middle of (the same) earlier entry. - There's probably some misplaced bracket in there but I'm sure I can't find it... Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Elmidae: An incorrect <ref> tag was messing things up. Is it OK now? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Didn't I know it would be something duh like that :p Yes, all good now; most obliged! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:23, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Reference taking me to the wrong webpage[edit]

On the Briefs article an editor inserted a statement backed up with the attached ref:[1]

<ref>{{Citation|title=Male underwear garment|date=Dec 13, 2007|url=|inventor-last=Wright|inventor-first=Priscilla D.|issue=US20070283484 A1|accessdate=2017-12-01}}</ref>

When I try to follow the ref, despite it being listed as it takes me to - however if I paste the address directly into my address bar it works. Why should that be?

I asked the inserting editor if they had any idea why it should behave so, but didn't get a response. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


  1. ^ [1], Wright, Priscilla D., "Male underwear garment" 
How do you follow the link: do you merely mean "when I click it"? I just now clicked it, and I ended up at the correct Google page. Nyttend (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Yep - when I click it. I just tried it again - I still get taken to the 404. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The link's working fine, so I strongly doubt that it's a Google problem or a Wikipedia-rendering problem; it's apparently something with your browser. You may do better to go to WP:RDC and ask about that. It may help, by the way, if you report the URL that you see when you mouse over the link: does it tell you that you're going to Google or to Espacenet? Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Because this is a patent citation, {{citation}} calls {{citation/patent}} which does not take |url= and instead hard-codes a link to Similarly, |issue= is ignored but |number= should work if you can find the correct value to put in it (|number= becomes part of the url so the value as currently assigned won't work because it contains a space).
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Alternately, you might rewrite the template:
{{Citation |title=Male underwear garment |date=Dec 13, 2007 |url= |last=Wright|first=Priscilla D. |issue=US20070283484 A1|accessdate=2017-12-01}}
Wright, Priscilla D. (Dec 13, 2007), Male underwear garment (US20070283484 A1), retrieved 2017-12-01 
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Chaheel Riens: inventor-last= is recognized as a patent parameter so it automatically activates Template:Citation#Citing patents which has other parameters than normal citations. It expects a country-code and patent-number instead of a url. {{Citation|title=Male underwear garment|date=Dec 13, 2007|inventor-last=Wright|inventor-first=Priscilla D.|accessdate=2017-12-01|country-code=US|patent-number=2007283484}} produces:
US 2007283484, Wright, Priscilla D., "Male underwear garment" 
I think Nyttend is confused because he clicked the clickable bare url you posted instead of the url generated in the reference. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

My mothers death date is wrong[edit]

Hello, I have no idea who did my mother's page, however she died in 2014 not 2013. Please correct. I am the daughter mentioned in the times article. Sheila Crystal Devin. Thank-You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:D08A:C800:4E1:4BF1:D2B5:CBB9 (talk) 13:22, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Sheila, could you provide a link to your mother's page? It could be as simple as going there, copying the URL of the page, and pasting it here. Nyttend (talk) 13:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The page in question will be Sheila Guyse. Her NYT obituary gives her death date as 28 December 2013. ‑ Iridescent 13:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I notice that the linked NYT reference is dated "JAN. 15, 2014". Unless the NYT has made two unrelated errors (one in the text of the obituary, another in dating the piece on their website), it's difficult to see how an actual date of 28 Dec 2014 is possible, although an actual date early in January 2014 might be plausible. The problem is, OP, that although you say you are Sheila Crystal Devin, daughter of Sheila Guyse, the only sure information we have about you is that you posted from the IP of 2604:2000:D08A:C800:4E1:4BF1:D2B5:CBB9, which could be anyone. While you may very well be sincere, Wikipedia does get false claims of a similar nature from mischievous posters (I am sure you won't be shocked to be told that people sometimes lie on the Internet), so we have to go with published Reliable Sources, of which the NYT is certainly one.
If you can point us to other sources of comparable reliability which instead give the date you suggest, we can reasonably assume the NYT is incorrect and (a) use them instead. Otherwise, we can only (b) stick with the NYT date; (c) remove the date from the article altogether, as being disputed; or (d) remove it from the Infobox and mention the discrepancy between sources in the text. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 19:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
It looks as if your argument is with the New York Times, but if you can point us to an accurate obituary, then we will be happy to change our article. Dbfirs 19:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
And with the New York Daily News, the Internet Broadway Database and the book Obituaries in the Performing Arts, 2013, all of which say December 28, 2013. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:06, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

G13 Routine?[edit]

Regarding g13 deletions, these are drafts that are 6 months old that can be nominated for deletion. my understanding was that even though these pages can be deleted once they are nominated, they don't have to be and the admin responsible is still needed to check them over to see if notable things haven't been nominated by mistake or maliciousness, etc. Or is the deleting admin just responsible for doing a bot-like deletion of everything in g13? without looking at what has been nominated?Egaoblai (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Administrators are expected to use discretion always and are not required to take any action that their judgement says is inappropriate. If an admin is using their tools blindly, that would be a problem for a discussion at WP:AN. If you have a specific admin in mind, the issue should be brought up there. If you are just asking idly, then no, admins do not act without judgement and discretion. --Jayron32 14:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Request edit[edit]

Hi there!

The tuition listed for the Lycée Français de Chicago is wrong. The tuition is $19,820. Can someone update the number? (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Sgaler

 Done. NZFC(talk) 19:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Are we allowed to have the 'SineBot' message as our signature?[edit]

The complaining user has been indeffed and his talk page privileges revoked for abuse. μηδείς (talk) 02:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

That birb king that you can screech at. 16:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I would say no, as apart from anything else, it does not always pick up on unsigned posts. Suggest you just allow your account name to be your signature as the majority of other editors do. Eagleash (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
KingOfBirbs, I am going to repeat what I said above in #About a warning that I have received.: "you should either start behaving like a responsible Wikipedia editor (in which case we will be happy to answer genuine requests for help), or else go away and stop bothering us." Changing your signature is permissible (though personally I think some editors spend entirely too much time on it). Changing your signature to mimic something else is disruptive. And in view of the warnings you have already received, asking questions that probe the limits of what is disruptive, is itself disruptive editing. --ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Are all forms of disguise a form of disruption? King Of Birbs (Screech) (Footprints) 18:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Not all, but they might lead readers to ask if you are Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia? Dbfirs 19:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text[edit]

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Which article please. Eagleash (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Creation of WP article with a foreign untranslated yet term[edit]

Can I create an article about a term that is being used in a foreign language, by many reliable secondary sources? I will have to translate the term, but it is rather straightforward translation. What is the relevant policy of WP? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that has information about topics, not definitions of terms. Wiktionary is the sister project that records definitions of foreign terms. If the topic merits an encyclopaedic article, then you should use a title that is already in use in English, not your own translation of a foreign term. Dbfirs 19:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
No, I am not talking about a definition or a stub. There is no existing translation of the term in english language, yet. Consider a famous israeli band that has released an album in hebrew (lets say נשר שחור meaning black eagle) last month, the album merits an encyclopaedic article, so can I create an article with the title "black eagle" in en.WP? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 20:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I have recently created the page Gumlau, which is a Kachin word, and does not exist in English dictionaries. however anthropologists and sociologist have used it a little, as there is no other word for it and a translation would be too complicated. Use your judgement on this. Many concepts in the English language come from other languages, and it is part of the evolution of language. If there is no direct or suitable translation, then use the original term, but make sure you define it well in the opening sentences of the article. IN the case of the album, if there is no official English title from the band, then do your best to transliterate it into "English letters" that can approximate the original sound of the words. Egaoblai (talk) 21:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Egaoblai. Are you aware of any Wikipedia policy or guideline concerning the matter? ps- Your Gumlau article is fantastic, I will translate it to greek in a couple of days! Τζερόνυμο (talk) 08:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC) maybe this might be useful for you. Glad you liked the page! Egaoblai (talk) 07:10, 16 December 2017 (UTC)



I appreciate that Wikipedia is publicly sourced and does not want corporate manipulation of articles. If I would like to do something on behalf of my company such as, in this particular case, update our corporate logo to match our website:, how should I go about that in order to make sure the company's page is up to date, while still respecting the editing policies?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mixbook (talkcontribs) 18:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Mixbook, we can update the logo if the company is happy to provide a copy of the logo however there are two other issues at hand, first is your username implies that you are a company and could be a number of users using the name, please see WP:USERNAME. As for the other policies that I recommend you read, please see Conflict of Interest and paid. I have left a message on your user page that has these policies also as well as information about changing your User name. NZFC(talk) 19:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I am happy to provide a logo and let an independent member of the wikipedia community determine if it is appropriate to update. Please let me know the best way to accomplish this. Thank you as well for the information on usernames. I've made it compliant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker at Mixbook (talkcontribs) 19:59, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Tucker at Mixbook, if you have any questions about the copyright of the logo, you can ask Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions as one thing I think I've forgotten to mention is by giving access you make your logo free for anyone to use. So maybe best to ask questions there or otherwise someone else with better knowledge around logos maybe able to help. NZFC(talk) 20:27, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Tucker at Mixbook: You don't have to make your logo free. We allow copyrighted logos to be displayed as fair use in the infobox about the organization. Is it [3] you want displayed in Mixbook? The procedure for fair use images is a little complicated and new user accounts don't have the required permission but we can do it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: I appreciate the clarification and the offer of help. Yes, the logo you've indicated is the correct one for the page indicated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker at Mixbook (talkcontribs) 22:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Tucker at Mixbook: I have uploaded File:Mixbook logo.svg and added it to Mixbook. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Awesome. I really appreciate your help!

U.S. template[edit]


I would like to know why there is no link to "Society of the United States" on Template:United States topics (last main category). Can someone add it? Thanks.

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I linked 'Society' to Society_of_the_United_States. Ruslik_Zero 20:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

How do I submit an article for deletion?[edit]

I have no idea how. Please help. Alex of Canada (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Alex of Canada: There are different ways to do it at Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Processes. Which article do you want deleted for which reason? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Christopher Hussey (died 1686)[edit]

I have had trouble with ref number 8 on this page - please help. thanks (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done, only thing I could see is you had used reference template for a website instead of a newspaper, so changed it over and added in the extra information to make it a more complete reference. NZFC(talk) 23:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford[edit]

I have had trouble with ref number 8 on this page - please help Thanks (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done as above. NZFC(talk) 23:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Green Numbers Next To Contributions[edit]

Hi, newbie here. I look under my ¨Contributions¨ tag and I see my edits with green positive numbers and some red negative numbers. I would just like to know what they mean, why some are red, and why some are green, and what the number next to them represents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalAce (talkcontribs) 22:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@RoyalAce: It shows how much the page size changed in bytes. See Wikipedia:Added or removed characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

December 15[edit]

Can't get rid of whitespace[edit]

At Willows, California, we have three large templates on the top half of the article: the infobox, the climate box, and a population chart. All of these appear commonly in articles, but generally they display the article on full width, while here nothing except whitespace appears directly below the infobox. Any idea what's wrong? I tried {{clear right}} above the population chart, but it had no effect, and previewing the page without the pushpin map (to shorten the infobox) likewise displayed in the same manner. Nyttend (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Fixed was this stray code.--Moxy (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

waiting for my draft to be approved since a month[edit]


I have been waiting for my draft: to be approved for a month. It would be of great help if anyone could help me get the draft approved.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajeshsingri (talkcontribs) 05:11, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Rajeshsingri: It seems you have moved the draft to mainspace today...and then moved it back again (please don't do this) and re-submitted as of today. There is currently a backlog of articles awaiting review so prepare to be patient. The draft was previously declined as not correctly sourced, and although some have added, there are still some issues. You cannot use Wikipedia as a source. Please see WP:RS for what constitutes a reliable source, in particular WP:UGC. Please also see WP:REFB for a guide to correctly adding sources. If you have not already done so, please read WP:YFA and WP:MOS and also the links contained in the welcome message at your talk page. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:28, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Note: Article has been reviewed (and declined again). Eagleash (talk) 15:06, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

South African Radio Stations[edit]

Please add the following station to this page; WRFM105.9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:41, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You haven't said which of our five million articles you are talking about, but I guess it might be List of radio stations in South Africa. In any case, the answer is probably No. This is an encyclopaedia, not a business directory. If WRFM105.9 meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - meaning that several people who are unconnected with it have chosen to write at some length about it and been published in reliable places - then there could be an article written about it (based on what those independent people have published: Wikipedia is basically not interested in what any person or entity says about themselves) and then it could be added to lists such as the one I linked to. It is quite likely that many of the current entries on that list should be removed, but it would take somebody significant time to go through removing non-notable entries. --ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi ColinFine, I have reasonable familiarity with radio in South Africa. You are correct in presuming many of the listed stations are not (yet) notable. A good first step in cleaning up the list would be to simply remove all that do not already have an article. The list should also be rearranged to distinguish three clearly different (legally defined) categories: public service stations (all part of the SABC), then commercial stations (SABC owns a few, the rest are privately owned), and finally community stations (owned by non-profit orgs and have a limited geographic footprint). It's past bedtime at my end, so I'm not going to do anything about it now. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Do the annoying pop-ups to donate go away if I make a donation?[edit]

I have an account that I created 10 years ago, but I only log in with it about once every couple years, such as for uploading an image. If I was to use this login profile daily and donate, will those annoying popups go away? They always cause the text I'm reading to shift up and down, which is annoying to the point of seeking out downloading a frozen mirror of wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:01, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello. You can disable fundraising banners and similar notices from popping up by logging in and going to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. Check on the boxes adjacent to "Suppress display of fundraiser banners" and "Suppress display of whatevers". Thanks. Lourdes 15:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. Lourdes is right, but I'll answer your question directly: No, they won't, because absolutely nothing in Wikipedia - neither people nor software - knows who has made donations and who hasn't. I believe this is intentional, to make sure that there can be no suspicion of improper behaviour. Donations are the business of the Wikimedia Foundation, which created and maintains Wikipedia, but does not let that informtion leak into it. As Lourdes says, if you register, and log in to your account, you can turn the messages off, but it still will not know whether or not your have donated. --ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I don't believe that is correct. In some disucssions with donation people, they shared a canned email response which they use for some inquiries:

Thank you for your email and your support for the Wikimedia Foundation and free knowledge.
I'm sorry that you're continuing to see banners on Wikipedia. Donation banners are designed to show to donors that have enabled cookies on their browser, and to hide after the banner is shown a few times or after a donation. Hiding, however, depends upon a cookie that we insert in the browser. Banner hiding won't work if you clear your browser's cache, delete cookies, or change browsers or computers. Also, if you happen to see a large banner, this is designed to show only on the first view, and will appear in a reduced size on subsequent views.
There are several options available to you to hide the fundraising banners in the future.
If you click the X in the top right-hand corner of our blue banner, it will hide for one week. Please note this behavior does not apply to the first banner you see, but every banner thereafter. If you return to the ['Thank You' page]( it will give the cookie a chance to reinsert. You can also create an account on Wikipedia - banners are not typically shown to users that log-in to Wikipedia accounts.
More information on creating an account can be found [here](
Thank you for your patience and support, and please let me know if I may be of further help.

This email identifies some reasons why some will continue to get the message, but I read it as suggesting that it should go away for many.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:44, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Can these links be used?[edit]

I'm curious the following pages (for example Atlanta Film Critics Circle) within pages are allowed, in this cases that of award ceremonies, as those below have no link within them; is it a violation to include them or is it possible to leave them with the other list:

  • Atlanta Film Critics Circle
  • Boston Online Film Critics Association
  • Los Angeles Online Film Critics Society
  • North Texas Film Critics Association
  • Phoenix Critics Circle
  • Phoenix Film Critics Society


All comments are welcome.--Bartallen2 (talk) 17:55, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

No article Atlanta Film Critics Circle exists. Atlanta Film Critics Circle Awards exists, but has only one reference, which does not establish the subject as notable. Boston Online Film Critics Association does not exist. "Los Angeles Online Film Critics Society" is not an article, but is the name of an unreferenced section of List of awards and nominations received by Christopher Nolan: is your question about that article? Maproom (talk) 00:30, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

My question is whether an article not existing can still be included? Boston Online Film Critics Association does not exist, but given that the film in question received several awards nominations from that respective association, is it against Wiki rules to include it? Many thanks --Bartallen2 (talk) 11:03, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Created a page that disappeared; no "talk" button[edit]

Hello, I went to the page of author J. Robert Lennon and saw there was no page for one if his books that is quite good, Familiar. Clicking the link invited me to create the page. I created it (without logging in) at considerable time investment with appropriate quotes, sources etc. and updated/submitted it.

The page never appeared. The link is red with the invitation to create it still appearing--which I'm loathe to do only to have my work evaporate again.

Is what I submitted archived somewhere? Awaiting some vetting process and overlooked? Is work by those not logged in not used? This was done several months ago now.

Any help or follow up to send my work live appreciated. J.

PS Also, in trying to contact you, the Wikipedia help page says there is a "Talk" button to address things like this at the top of the page. I don't see one at all- if it exists the help should be more specific. Is it some particular page view--restructed to those logged on? All I see at top of a page viewing on my android tablet in a normal web browser are: the translation icon on the left and on the right a download icon, star for favorite, and the edit pencil as is icon on each section.

Pss This help section in general needs some introduction/context for new users--I'm posting this to a forum? Not a person who follows up on tjis as the term "help desk" implies--like an actual help desk is/was with a person to snswer that even the right term (unqualified) if this is just a forum thread?

This all feels like more wasted effort to a newbie whose work was already lost... maybe larger help issue is making new users welcome/user friendly interfaces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry that you ran into trouble. Unregistered editors cannot create articles. I'm not sure why it let you start on that. Your best bet is to read WP:YFA and then use the article wizard there to create a draft article for review. RudolfRed (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
I once was in a similar situation. I discovered that my (unsaved) edit could be retrieved from my browser (Firefox) by pressing 'back' a few times. Note however, this presumably will only work for the current browsing session. 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:ACD6:943D:BA3A:3FD4 (talk) 22:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Sources and Citations[edit]

Hi! Am I able to use ANY website as a valid source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JetStream1 (talkcontribs) 19:27, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

No, only websites that have "a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 20:07, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Meghan Markle[edit]

My reasons for returning so-called "trivial" information on this page was placed on the article's talk page as follows - "We have tried to find published evidence of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie both sharing common ancestors - e.g. Madeleine Ernard and her carpenter husband Zacharie Cloutier (1617-1708) - but there is none. On the other hand, the Washington Post, New York Times and other major global media outlets have published the proven SHARED ancestry between Markle and Prince Harry. The couple's common ancestor - Sir Philip Wentworth and his wife - were the great grandparents of Jane Seymour, wife of Henry VIII. This fact will remain relevant to both Harry's ancestry and Markle's. That is why the major global papers, television networks and historians will continue to refer to this information. Please accept this. Cheers (talk) 21:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)'

You should continue to discuss at the talk page to reach agreement with the other editors involved. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 22:09, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok - will do! Please keep a check on this page if you are able. Thanks (talk) 01:37, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

December 16[edit]

About Giorgos Merkis[edit]

Hi . The senior games of football player Giorgos Merkis are not updated from last year since may .can you do something? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:28, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done I have updated the Apoel 'caps' per the Soccerway link at the page. Eagleash (talk) 01:00, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Watchlist time range[edit]

This has been a problem for a few weeks, but I finally decided to ask about it. My watchlist only shows changes for the last 8 hours, no matter what I set "Period of time to display" for. --Ebyabe talk - Health and Welfare ‖ 07:00, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Two quick questions Ebyabe. One, what are the settings you have entered in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist for "Days to show in watchlist" and for "Maximum number of changes to show in watchlist". Two (I know you must be doing this, but just checking to be sure) are you clicking on "Show" after changing the "Period of time to display"? Thanks, Lourdes 07:25, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, I didn't even think to look there. Days is 1, and maximum changes were at 250. I don't think I ever changed that myself, but I upped it to 1000 and now it shows a full day. Cheers!  :) --Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 07:39, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikitext Code Churn?[edit]

Is this piece of code valid? 1(search by pressing crtl+f for where it says just ASMC and not TASMC or something like that) That piece of code is supposed to bring 2 lines of text on the article's table but it only shows one line of text, can someone fix it and/or say why does it happen? Thanks.Pancho507 (talk) 07:55, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, Pancho507, don't know what you're asking. That's WikiTable syntax, and I can't see anything wrong with it, but I don't know what you means by "supposed to bring 2 lines of text on the article's table". Do you mean part of the entry is supposed to straddle two rows for some reason? In that case it needs to use "rowspan" in the relevant cells. Or do you want a line break in something so you get two lines of text in a cell? Don't understand. (And I have no idea what "churn" means in this context. --ColinFine (talk) 12:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

The Office, tv series; Gross fact error and Opinion[edit]

Hello. To whom it concerns. Please correct the Wikipedia article for The Office, American TV series. The article starts by saying the show is "horrible and stupid" then goes on to say the series ran from AD 3000 to AD 60000. Surely you check for factual information in your articles, but those dates are rediculous. Many, including myself would argue that The Office is a great series! Shouldn't the articles be more factual and not written from the standpoint of the authors personal opinion? Somebody obviously thought they were being funny; but that was slander! Can you please correct the article? The things I mentioned are in the first paragraph. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:55, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

If you have time, you can do it yourself. Also i'm pretty sure this is not the place to post this kind of stuff. Pancho507 (talk) 08:01, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi IP user, the edit was vandalism by a user that has now been banned and their edit reverted here. Unfortunately sometimes people think it's funny to make deliberate errors/vandalise articles. If you spot things like this, you are welcome to revert them yourself or you can bring them to our attention again here and we can fix them and warn the user. NZFC(talk) 08:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
@Pancho507: Actually, this is an appropriate place for such a report.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:53, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
See Help:Reverting. Don't try to edit the article directly before checking the page history. There may be more vandalism you didn't discover (the network in this case), and reverting is easier than manually editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Problem with translation tool[edit]

Hi, Since I am an extended confirmed editor I should be able to use the translation tool but I still receive this message : "This utility is currently restricted to extended confirmed editors on the English Wikipedia, see WP:CXT for more information." What is the problem ? --YB 13:17, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Probably that you weren't extended confirmed the last time you tried to use content translations. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:26, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Are you getting this today while logged in to this account? Please post the url or steps to reproduce where you are getting the message. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Debbie McGee 's dob and age is wrong[edit]

Hi there, As above her age and dob is wrong Kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:6267:1A00:B1F6:CE36:4852:B731 (talk) 20:11, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi IP, unless you have information from a reliable source that says it is different, the DOB on Debbie McGee page appears to be correct [4] NZFC(talk) 20:42, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
The article has been vandalised several times today, so you must have read it on one of the occasions when it was wrong before it was corrected. Dbfirs 21:22, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Translation from German to English[edit]

Dear wikipedia friends,

I wanted to translate the German page [[5]] into English and post it in the English wikipedia. However, it says: Translate page - Note: This utility is currently restricted to extended confirmed editors on the English Wikipedia, see WP:CXT for more information.

Could someone please help me with the translation?

Thanks in advance

Akinom1985 (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Crosskeys Inn County Antrim[edit]

Hi, An update I provided on this page was deleted. Can anyone advise why? Also how can I get it reinstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:42, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps you are talking about the removal in August of material which was a copyright violation, see this version. If the copyright holder wishes to donate the copyright, the process is at WP:DCM, but otherwise material added to Wikipedia needs to be in your own words. Regardless of copyright concerns, it should be borne in mind that material from a subject's own website is often not suitable for Wikipedia, as it tends to be written in promotional terms, rather than from a neutral point of view. Wikipedia articles should be largely based on what sources independent of the subject have said, rather than on primary sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:11, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

December 17[edit]

Bad Grammar Template/Category[edit]

Is there a template for articles with bad grammar? There's nothing at Template:Bad_Grammar, and I don't feel like searching dozens, or potentially hundreds, of possible names. The article that I want to put the template on is Transport in the Maldives.2601:2C1:C280:3EE0:B1BC:7F3E:8486:CCA4 (talk) 02:23, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Please see Template:Copy edit. Feel free to add the template, but an even better solution is to correct the grammar yourself. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

List of Indian warriors[edit]

You had a wonderful list of native American warriors ... why did you remove the site? That was a terrible thing to do!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:7709:CE90:38CB:FC3F:C02A:F1C0 (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. It was not removed. It is still available at List of Indian warriors. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:56, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Uhm ... that is a list of warriors from India.
The closest I could find is: List of Native American leaders of the Indian Wars2606:A000:4C0C:E200:ACD6:943D:BA3A:3FD4 (talk) 03:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Time limit for provision of sources[edit]

Hi. I would like to know if time limits apply to "citation needed" notices. Taking biographies as an obvious example, is there a shorter time limit for a BLP than for a historical person? Until a time limit expires, is the article or passage exempt from deletion or amendment? Thank you. Waj (talk) 07:23, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Wajidshahzeed. There is no formal time limit, but it is certainly true that we are much stricter and more diligent about biographies of living people than other types of articles. We are also especially strict about copyright violations and legal threats. The existence of an unreferenced BLP is a serious policy violation and it can be deleted on that basis alone. If the person is indisputably dead, then the article can be tagged and editors can have a reasonable chance to find sources. The time that it takes to delete an unreferenced BLP depends on the specific circumstances, but it will usually be pretty quick. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:36, 17 December 2017 (UTC)